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		<title>By: Miraz Jordan</title>
		<link>http://knowit.co.nz/2008/11/i-hate-books/comment-page-1#comment-2627</link>
		<dc:creator>Miraz Jordan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 10 Jul 2009 05:43:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>That&#039;s an interesting assertion Joes.

I know people have had a go at working out the carbon footprint for various Internet activities, but I&#039;m not sure anyone has come up with anything reliable yet.

There are many ways to generate energy, such as wind, water, geothermal, wind, tidal.

As I write this, the Google Solar Panel Project alone has created around 9,500 kilowatt-hours in the last 24 hours:

http://www.google.com/corporate/solarpanels/home

They say that&#039;s equivalent to 79,333 hours of flat screen TV watching or 3,461 loads of laundry. That sounds like quite a bit to me.

It&#039;d be interesting to see the figures you&#039;re basing your statement on.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>That&#8217;s an interesting assertion Joes.</p>
<p>I know people have had a go at working out the carbon footprint for various Internet activities, but I&#8217;m not sure anyone has come up with anything reliable yet.</p>
<p>There are many ways to generate energy, such as wind, water, geothermal, wind, tidal.</p>
<p>As I write this, the Google Solar Panel Project alone has created around 9,500 kilowatt-hours in the last 24 hours:</p>
<p><a href="http://www.google.com/corporate/solarpanels/home" rel="nofollow">http://www.google.com/corporate/solarpanels/home</a></p>
<p>They say that&#8217;s equivalent to 79,333 hours of flat screen TV watching or 3,461 loads of laundry. That sounds like quite a bit to me.</p>
<p>It&#8217;d be interesting to see the figures you&#8217;re basing your statement on.</p>
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		<title>By: joes</title>
		<link>http://knowit.co.nz/2008/11/i-hate-books/comment-page-1#comment-2626</link>
		<dc:creator>joes</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 10 Jul 2009 05:13:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Actually, just to keep a site like google working (I am not talking of all the internet, just the google servers) leaves a huge, I mean HUGE carbon foot-print. The trees saved by not printing a book in fact will die anyways because you have to divert all the water you can to generate the electricity they need to operate. Think about that. Whereas a book, once produced and shipped, does not need energy ever again to work. In fact, books are the perfect technology.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Actually, just to keep a site like google working (I am not talking of all the internet, just the google servers) leaves a huge, I mean HUGE carbon foot-print. The trees saved by not printing a book in fact will die anyways because you have to divert all the water you can to generate the electricity they need to operate. Think about that. Whereas a book, once produced and shipped, does not need energy ever again to work. In fact, books are the perfect technology.</p>
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		<title>By: chris</title>
		<link>http://knowit.co.nz/2008/11/i-hate-books/comment-page-1#comment-2590</link>
		<dc:creator>chris</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 25 Jun 2009 13:05:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Dusty, Uncomfortable to Find a Sitting Position,Bad Lighting and Cutting down trees. Sums it all up in one Screen.Another Alternative To burning down Libraries Would if Governments Gave the Citizens E-Book Readers.It would also Boost Manufacturing in these times of Economic Downturn. I know Lots of people that Work or Have Worked in Technology But Not one Person That Every Worked Printing or Publishing Books.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Dusty, Uncomfortable to Find a Sitting Position,Bad Lighting and Cutting down trees. Sums it all up in one Screen.Another Alternative To burning down Libraries Would if Governments Gave the Citizens E-Book Readers.It would also Boost Manufacturing in these times of Economic Downturn. I know Lots of people that Work or Have Worked in Technology But Not one Person That Every Worked Printing or Publishing Books.</p>
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		<title>By: A giant steel shredder &#124; KnowIT</title>
		<link>http://knowit.co.nz/2008/11/i-hate-books/comment-page-1#comment-1878</link>
		<dc:creator>A giant steel shredder &#124; KnowIT</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 07 Nov 2008 02:16:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] other day I wrote I hate books, in which I suggested we should move wholesale from printed to electronic media. Now today [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] other day I wrote I hate books, in which I suggested we should move wholesale from printed to electronic media. Now today [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Miraz</title>
		<link>http://knowit.co.nz/2008/11/i-hate-books/comment-page-1#comment-1876</link>
		<dc:creator>Miraz</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 06 Nov 2008 09:03:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I don&#039;t think burning libraries is the way to go - too much CO2, and it was a bad thing in Alexandria. I do like your idea of getting rid of excess paper and so on though. 

Thanks for contributing.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I don&#8217;t think burning libraries is the way to go &#8211; too much CO2, and it was a bad thing in Alexandria. I do like your idea of getting rid of excess paper and so on though. </p>
<p>Thanks for contributing.</p>
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		<title>By: Booklover</title>
		<link>http://knowit.co.nz/2008/11/i-hate-books/comment-page-1#comment-1875</link>
		<dc:creator>Booklover</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 06 Nov 2008 07:50:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Well, I guess if there&#039;s something easy to hate it&#039;s the book. It is an old technology. Don&#039;t we just hate old technologies? The older it is, the more we hate it. 

Quite predictable really. That&#039;s why there are so few booksellers these days. It&#039;s why bookseller premises are getting smaller and smaller, like the new Borders shops that are opening up everywhere. Tiny they are. They can hardly squeeze a paperback in the doorway, they&#039;re so small.

And the sales. Drastic sales statistics, books have. That&#039;s why the companies have to spend the billions they do on advertising - they just can&#039;t get the revenue.

Yeah, let&#039;s start a hate-the-book campagne. We&#039;ll have a hate-the-book day when we can pile all our books on the green and have a great fire. Beats Guy Fawkes&#039; night.

And, hey, let&#039;s not stop at the book. All their relations, the newspaper, the mag, the journal. Let&#039;s get rid of them too. In fact, it&#039;s paper. That&#039;s the commodity we have to dispel. For without paper, there&#039;d be no illicit books and the like. Card too, and cardboard. Lest someone succeeds in publishing a carboard book. They&#039;d try it you know. The publishers. Anything to keep the books flowing.

Well, we can stop that.

Yes, nothing like a good hate scheme to get rid of the things you hate. Hate paper, hate card, hate cardboard, hate leaflets, hate mags, hate newspapers, hate booklets, hate books. Burn the libraries. That&#039;s what to do. That&#039;ll teach them to cherish books.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Well, I guess if there&#8217;s something easy to hate it&#8217;s the book. It is an old technology. Don&#8217;t we just hate old technologies? The older it is, the more we hate it. </p>
<p>Quite predictable really. That&#8217;s why there are so few booksellers these days. It&#8217;s why bookseller premises are getting smaller and smaller, like the new Borders shops that are opening up everywhere. Tiny they are. They can hardly squeeze a paperback in the doorway, they&#8217;re so small.</p>
<p>And the sales. Drastic sales statistics, books have. That&#8217;s why the companies have to spend the billions they do on advertising &#8211; they just can&#8217;t get the revenue.</p>
<p>Yeah, let&#8217;s start a hate-the-book campagne. We&#8217;ll have a hate-the-book day when we can pile all our books on the green and have a great fire. Beats Guy Fawkes&#8217; night.</p>
<p>And, hey, let&#8217;s not stop at the book. All their relations, the newspaper, the mag, the journal. Let&#8217;s get rid of them too. In fact, it&#8217;s paper. That&#8217;s the commodity we have to dispel. For without paper, there&#8217;d be no illicit books and the like. Card too, and cardboard. Lest someone succeeds in publishing a carboard book. They&#8217;d try it you know. The publishers. Anything to keep the books flowing.</p>
<p>Well, we can stop that.</p>
<p>Yes, nothing like a good hate scheme to get rid of the things you hate. Hate paper, hate card, hate cardboard, hate leaflets, hate mags, hate newspapers, hate booklets, hate books. Burn the libraries. That&#8217;s what to do. That&#8217;ll teach them to cherish books.</p>
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		<title>By: Oliver</title>
		<link>http://knowit.co.nz/2008/11/i-hate-books/comment-page-1#comment-1870</link>
		<dc:creator>Oliver</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 05 Nov 2008 01:38:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>For me Podcasts are the way to go. I listen to a LOT (about 1-2hrs a day) of Podcasts and AudioBooks the Wellington Library has a few (but could have more). Of curse that&#039;s for novels and Sci-Fi and the such. For the non fiction section I suppose you still need something you can look at (which probably could be replaced by Powerpointies). 
I finally got to &quot;read&quot; LotR that way. I could never get myself past the first 100 pages in paper. Listening to it was easy though (48 CDs unabridged for those who wnat to know).</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>For me Podcasts are the way to go. I listen to a LOT (about 1-2hrs a day) of Podcasts and AudioBooks the Wellington Library has a few (but could have more). Of curse that&#8217;s for novels and Sci-Fi and the such. For the non fiction section I suppose you still need something you can look at (which probably could be replaced by Powerpointies).<br />
I finally got to &#8220;read&#8221; LotR that way. I could never get myself past the first 100 pages in paper. Listening to it was easy though (48 CDs unabridged for those who wnat to know).</p>
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		<title>By: Miraz Jordan</title>
		<link>http://knowit.co.nz/2008/11/i-hate-books/comment-page-1#comment-1869</link>
		<dc:creator>Miraz Jordan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 04 Nov 2008 21:14:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Funnily enough  just watched that TED Talk the other day - maybe that&#039;s what fed my rant above. :-)

Colin, I don&#039;t know that the print on-demand would satisfy a very big market. I don&#039;t want my books in print, so I wouldn&#039;t use it.

Those of my friends who still &#039;love&#039; books, also love the whole production stuff with them: the fancy covers, the binding, the new book smell and all that. I suspect that on-demand printing couldn&#039;t satisfy those requirements.

Hmmm, starting to ponder the parallels between the music industry and the book industry....</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Funnily enough  just watched that TED Talk the other day &#8211; maybe that&#8217;s what fed my rant above. <img src='http://knowit.co.nz/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':-)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
<p>Colin, I don&#8217;t know that the print on-demand would satisfy a very big market. I don&#8217;t want my books in print, so I wouldn&#8217;t use it.</p>
<p>Those of my friends who still &#8216;love&#8217; books, also love the whole production stuff with them: the fancy covers, the binding, the new book smell and all that. I suspect that on-demand printing couldn&#8217;t satisfy those requirements.</p>
<p>Hmmm, starting to ponder the parallels between the music industry and the book industry&#8230;.</p>
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		<title>By: Oliver</title>
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		<dc:creator>Oliver</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 04 Nov 2008 20:08:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Have a look at this (TED of course):
http://www.ted.com/index.php/talks/brewster_kahle_builds_a_free_digital_library.html

It shows what Colin is talking about. How cool it would be to get your books printed on-demand. Now all we need is that technology that can reprint on paper....</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Have a look at this (TED of course):<br />
<a href="http://www.ted.com/index.php/talks/brewster_kahle_builds_a_free_digital_library.html" rel="nofollow">http://www.ted.com/index.php/talks/brewster_kahle_builds_a_free_digital_library.html</a></p>
<p>It shows what Colin is talking about. How cool it would be to get your books printed on-demand. Now all we need is that technology that can reprint on paper&#8230;.</p>
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		<title>By: Colin Jackson</title>
		<link>http://knowit.co.nz/2008/11/i-hate-books/comment-page-1#comment-1864</link>
		<dc:creator>Colin Jackson</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 04 Nov 2008 06:02:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I agree that books *ought* to be replaced by another technology - but I don&#039;t see any sign of that technology. 

Think about it: a book is easy to handle, small enough to be portable but large enough to see clearly, cheapish to produce, and hard to copy. Don&#039;t underestimate that last point. Publishers want to make money of selling copies and people hate DRM.

A middle way option that we might see soon is &#039;on demand&#039; printing. The bookshop would have a machine that prints books, and you&#039;d go down there, browse through their electronic catalogue, and pay for what you want to be printed while you had coffee. By using a local shops - even if we are shopping online - we get rid of the carbon footprint of shipping dead trees to the US, printing them into books, and shipping them back.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I agree that books *ought* to be replaced by another technology &#8211; but I don&#8217;t see any sign of that technology. </p>
<p>Think about it: a book is easy to handle, small enough to be portable but large enough to see clearly, cheapish to produce, and hard to copy. Don&#8217;t underestimate that last point. Publishers want to make money of selling copies and people hate DRM.</p>
<p>A middle way option that we might see soon is &#8216;on demand&#8217; printing. The bookshop would have a machine that prints books, and you&#8217;d go down there, browse through their electronic catalogue, and pay for what you want to be printed while you had coffee. By using a local shops &#8211; even if we are shopping online &#8211; we get rid of the carbon footprint of shipping dead trees to the US, printing them into books, and shipping them back.</p>
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