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	<title>Comments on: Noooo! Sci-fi keeps women out of computing&#8230;</title>
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		<title>By: Helen Sharman Seizes her Moment in Space — KnowIT</title>
		<link>http://knowit.co.nz/2010/01/noooo-sci-fi-keeps-women-out-of-computing/comment-page-1#comment-5064</link>
		<dc:creator>Helen Sharman Seizes her Moment in Space — KnowIT</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 27 Feb 2010 04:59:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] I wrote Noooo! Sci-fi keeps women out of computing&#8230;, one of my very generous readers sent me a book. I&#8217;ve just finished reading that book: Seize [...]</description>
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		<title>By: Miraz</title>
		<link>http://knowit.co.nz/2010/01/noooo-sci-fi-keeps-women-out-of-computing/comment-page-1#comment-4752</link>
		<dc:creator>Miraz</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 06 Jan 2010 21:13:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Well, Buzz, the stereotyping was a given back in the 60s and 70s. In fact, Uhura being female was a big break through at the time. 

For me, as a girl child, it was a thrill to see a woman on the bridge of a spaceship. It sure wasn&#039;t happening in the Apollo program. Didn&#039;t stop my youthful dream to be an astronaut though (even though life stopped it eventually).</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Well, Buzz, the stereotyping was a given back in the 60s and 70s. In fact, Uhura being female was a big break through at the time. </p>
<p>For me, as a girl child, it was a thrill to see a woman on the bridge of a spaceship. It sure wasn&#8217;t happening in the Apollo program. Didn&#8217;t stop my youthful dream to be an astronaut though (even though life stopped it eventually).</p>
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		<title>By: Buzz</title>
		<link>http://knowit.co.nz/2010/01/noooo-sci-fi-keeps-women-out-of-computing/comment-page-1#comment-4744</link>
		<dc:creator>Buzz</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 05 Jan 2010 19:32:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Interesting topic, great comments and sobering afterthought.  Also a child of the &#039;60s, I grew up on the BBC&#039;s earlyDoctor Who shows (the first four Doctors) and Quatermass dramas - as well as the imported (to the UK) shows like Star Trek and Time Tunnel.  Like many, I suspect that the boundary-nudging aspects of Gene Rodenberry&#039;s show, like the oft-citied first inter-racial kiss in &#039;Plato&#039;s Stepchildren&#039;, blinded me to the steroetyping and more traditional elements.

As for the experiment, I wonder what the results would have been had the researchers added a third environment including the faded printouts of BOFH stories, Dilbert strips &amp; XKCD cartoons.  This is the typical natural habitat of those ersatz-geeks like our beloved IT department, who represent the &#039;we&#039;re all blokes whose attitudes and behaviours (not to mention computing skills, knowledge and policies) are stuck firmly in the  &#039;80s&#039; demographic.

On a related side note: when a colleague at the next desk sneezes, he makes a noise that is almost identical to a TIE fighter on a strafing run.  Just before Christmas, when we were in a more light-hearted mood than normal (for we are sacrificial lambs going to SuperCity slaughter), I pointed this out.  All the men - but just one woman - laughed and nodded knowingly.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Interesting topic, great comments and sobering afterthought.  Also a child of the &#8217;60s, I grew up on the BBC&#8217;s earlyDoctor Who shows (the first four Doctors) and Quatermass dramas &#8211; as well as the imported (to the UK) shows like Star Trek and Time Tunnel.  Like many, I suspect that the boundary-nudging aspects of Gene Rodenberry&#8217;s show, like the oft-citied first inter-racial kiss in &#8216;Plato&#8217;s Stepchildren&#8217;, blinded me to the steroetyping and more traditional elements.</p>
<p>As for the experiment, I wonder what the results would have been had the researchers added a third environment including the faded printouts of BOFH stories, Dilbert strips &amp; XKCD cartoons.  This is the typical natural habitat of those ersatz-geeks like our beloved IT department, who represent the &#8216;we&#8217;re all blokes whose attitudes and behaviours (not to mention computing skills, knowledge and policies) are stuck firmly in the  &#8217;80s&#8217; demographic.</p>
<p>On a related side note: when a colleague at the next desk sneezes, he makes a noise that is almost identical to a TIE fighter on a strafing run.  Just before Christmas, when we were in a more light-hearted mood than normal (for we are sacrificial lambs going to SuperCity slaughter), I pointed this out.  All the men &#8211; but just one woman &#8211; laughed and nodded knowingly.</p>
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		<title>By: Miraz</title>
		<link>http://knowit.co.nz/2010/01/noooo-sci-fi-keeps-women-out-of-computing/comment-page-1#comment-4741</link>
		<dc:creator>Miraz</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 05 Jan 2010 08:12:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Oh, that&#039;s just sad.

I&#039;ve watched a bit of Stargate Atlantis. Should get around to the rest of it sometime...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Oh, that&#8217;s just sad.</p>
<p>I&#8217;ve watched a bit of Stargate Atlantis. Should get around to the rest of it sometime&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: Liz</title>
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		<dc:creator>Liz</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 05 Jan 2010 07:26:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Try Stargate Atlantis ?
Unfortunately a lot of woman get into tech and IT because they want to be the only woman in an all man world. They pretend to know a lot about IT but in reality only know small things , equivalent of minimizing/maximizing windows, using facebook or trademe etc. This makes most woman who are actually career IT woman look less smart.
Apparently being a Computer Geek now means being able to use a computer, its no longer the honor it used to be, reserved for those with above average knowledge about computers. That goes for Guys and Girls :)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Try Stargate Atlantis ?<br />
Unfortunately a lot of woman get into tech and IT because they want to be the only woman in an all man world. They pretend to know a lot about IT but in reality only know small things , equivalent of minimizing/maximizing windows, using facebook or trademe etc. This makes most woman who are actually career IT woman look less smart.<br />
Apparently being a Computer Geek now means being able to use a computer, its no longer the honor it used to be, reserved for those with above average knowledge about computers. That goes for Guys and Girls <img src='http://knowit.co.nz/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
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		<title>By: Miraz</title>
		<link>http://knowit.co.nz/2010/01/noooo-sci-fi-keeps-women-out-of-computing/comment-page-1#comment-4739</link>
		<dc:creator>Miraz</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 05 Jan 2010 04:34:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Good points, Liz, about the typical cubicle.

I have also been a fan of Stargate, but it doesn&#039;t have *that* many women...

Bruce, I feel soooo dim: I&#039;ve never made the connection between Ferengi and Jewish people....

Good points about fetish vs enjoyment.

As for Deus ex Machina - well, so many shows have that element of &#039;magic&#039;, from CSI and its ability to zoom in on reflections in car windows using crummy security cameras, to super-geniuses like Samantha Carter in Stargate.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Good points, Liz, about the typical cubicle.</p>
<p>I have also been a fan of Stargate, but it doesn&#8217;t have *that* many women&#8230;</p>
<p>Bruce, I feel soooo dim: I&#8217;ve never made the connection between Ferengi and Jewish people&#8230;.</p>
<p>Good points about fetish vs enjoyment.</p>
<p>As for Deus ex Machina &#8211; well, so many shows have that element of &#8216;magic&#8217;, from CSI and its ability to zoom in on reflections in car windows using crummy security cameras, to super-geniuses like Samantha Carter in Stargate.</p>
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		<title>By: Bruce Hoult</title>
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		<dc:creator>Bruce Hoult</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 05 Jan 2010 04:05:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>For what it&#039;s worth, I would be biased against working in a place with Star Trek posters too.

My experience is that the level of Star Trek fetishism is inversely proportional to the level of actual competence in computer science. Those who buy every Trek item out there are also likely to latch on to and fetishize some particular aspect of things that don&#039;t actually matter, such as overclocking&amp;coolers, case-modding, gold plated oxygen-free tapered audio cables, or MHz-is-everything. They are also likely to either think that Windows is the best thing ever or else be a member of the -O9 -funroll-loops gentoo cult. Ok, to be fair I&#039;ve met one or two Mac users like that too (JMB), but they are a small minority.

Please don&#039;t confusing enjoying the shows as being the same as fetishizing it. I enjoyed the earlier shows too, until I got totally turned off by the deus ex machina episodes with the holodeck and the jewish caricature (the Ferengi).</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>For what it&#8217;s worth, I would be biased against working in a place with Star Trek posters too.</p>
<p>My experience is that the level of Star Trek fetishism is inversely proportional to the level of actual competence in computer science. Those who buy every Trek item out there are also likely to latch on to and fetishize some particular aspect of things that don&#8217;t actually matter, such as overclocking&amp;coolers, case-modding, gold plated oxygen-free tapered audio cables, or MHz-is-everything. They are also likely to either think that Windows is the best thing ever or else be a member of the -O9 -funroll-loops gentoo cult. Ok, to be fair I&#8217;ve met one or two Mac users like that too (JMB), but they are a small minority.</p>
<p>Please don&#8217;t confusing enjoying the shows as being the same as fetishizing it. I enjoyed the earlier shows too, until I got totally turned off by the deus ex machina episodes with the holodeck and the jewish caricature (the Ferengi).</p>
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		<title>By: Liz</title>
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		<dc:creator>Liz</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 05 Jan 2010 04:05:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Perhaps if they had more up to date Sci-Fi there would have been a change, seriously star-trek is old and outdated. Try Stargate where most of the main characters are powerful woman or something :)
As for this part
&quot;82 percent of the women picked the team with the non-stereotypical workroom.&quot;
I believe anyone would not want your typical cubical or boring workroom! guys or girls lol :D</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Perhaps if they had more up to date Sci-Fi there would have been a change, seriously star-trek is old and outdated. Try Stargate where most of the main characters are powerful woman or something <img src='http://knowit.co.nz/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' /><br />
As for this part<br />
&#8220;82 percent of the women picked the team with the non-stereotypical workroom.&#8221;<br />
I believe anyone would not want your typical cubical or boring workroom! guys or girls lol <img src='http://knowit.co.nz/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_biggrin.gif' alt=':D' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
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